He might bring it up in his rebuttal. When Mary declared God, my savior. In Luke 1:47, she understood that Jesus was the savior to grant repentance and forgiveness of sins, in Acts 5:31 and in Titus 2:9-11, which included her own. Well, right. Yet the presence of those exceptions doesnt disprove the nearly universal truth the sacred author was affirming. So there was something sinful about Jesus? I believe all things are possible with God. I guess, after the New Testament, I guess heres a fun question, which of the church fathers would you be okay with preaching at your church? I have to say, maybe, and Trent brought this up in the debate, when it talks about the brothers and sisters of Jesus and using adelphoi to mean that it always means biological brother. First, Christies argument for the Pharisees canon being identical to modern Protestant Old Testament comes from a selective quotation from my colleague Jimmy Akin. But they disagree about that because at least infant baptism, for many Protestants, at least it doesnt contradict Scripture, even if Scripture is silent on the matter. However, the earliest evidence for this alleged event comes 600 years afterward, in the second century after Christ. Can I quickly make a [inaudible 01:23:12]. If it was an eyewitness account, I suppose someone would had to have been informed about that. . Mark chapter three, even though it doesnt explicitly state that these are Jesuss siblings, the Greek word literally means to be, like of that individual. And again, thats the view of John Chrysostom. Steve's showmanship is upbeat and romantic but there's a lot more. Obviously the Bible does not teach that every woman had sexual relations. Landlord. Do you know him? Trent, you have 10 minutes to cross examine Steve, whenever you begin. Otherwise things leading up to it, we could interpret them either in a broader sense. I put you on the spot with that, so theres no worries. Its on my YouTube channel BornAgainRN. Christie claims we can know God inspired the Protestant Old Testament canon because God chose Paul, a Pharisee, to be an apostle. Steve Christie (Author of Good Deed) Steve Christie Goodreads Author Born in Aberdeen Scotland., The United Kingdom Website http://stevechristieauthor.blogspot.co.uk/ Twitter schristieauthor Genre Crime Influences Great Scottish fiction writers who can conjour up a good descriptive s .more Member Since August 2010 URL He has authored over 170+ books.Andrews is the Chief Translator of the Updated American Standard Version (UASV). General Manager New South Wales MRC Australia Sep 2017 - Dec 2018 1 year 4 months. Mary and Joseph are perfectly free to have children. Geoffrey Stephen "Steve" Christie (born November 13, 1967) is a former Canadian American football placekicker in the National Football League, who, as a member Steve Christie - Nangungunang mga yugto ng podcast Take your time there, Steve, getting yourself ready. Even if Mary were speaking of salvation from sin, she may be speaking about God, preventing her from sinning and saving her in that way, like we might say how a doctor saved someone from a disease by vaccinating them, rather than by giving them a pill to cure them after the infection. You just have to join locals in the same way youd have to join Twitter or Facebook to get access to it. Wouldnt they have noticed that their child up to the age of 12 or 13, however, she was, that she had not committed a single sin? Thats right. Two individuals share the same biological mother and father? Christie also claims Jesus reference to the Pharisee Nicodemus as the teacher of Israel (John 3:10) meant the Pharisees had unique teaching authority over other Jews. I do talk about this in my book and there, I note that its used differently than in Sirach 18:17, where the word is also used in those situations. H. That sums it up. Anyone who denies this dogma automatically contradicts scripture because if Jesus is God and Mary is the mother of Jesus. That rather, theres nothing in there to preclude people being assumed body and soul into heaven, including Mary. So our listeners can go there to read that. In week 1 vs. the Tennessee Titans, Christie went 3 for 4 on field-goal attempts (41, 42, & 33 yards). It is often said, in order to detect a counterfeit bill, you dont study other counterfeit bills, but instead you first study the genuine thing, then youll be able to detect a counterfeit easily. Just today, Hallow uploaded my Lo-Fi music to their app. Im not sure why she would be surprised when told that shes going to have a son, given that under Jewish law, she and Joseph were free to engage in conjugal relations even right at that moment after the angel had left. So that would mean if youre the firstborn, that youre going to have other children. Okay. Can it be used in the case without contradicting scripture? The fact that Mary died does not show that she had original sin or that she inherited original sin or that she committed a personal sin. So feel free to answer that briefly. Trent had mentioned about the age of accountability. I would probably enjoy Clement of Rome, even though 1 Clement wasnt written by an individual, but rather there was a poly group of bishops in 1 Clement. Apologetics for the Masses #365 - 4 Words That Changed the World, Part II. 0. Thats fine. Theres more to it than that. It has nothing to do with Mary being the ark. Both conditions were initially treatable, but he declined treatment. And she doesnt mention sin in this part of Luke one. Yeah. But My covenant I will establish with Isaac" ( Gen 17:20-21 ). But Steve cant construct a Protestant canon out of what Jesus and the apostles cited because, as Protestant scholar Bruce Metzger observes, Nowhere in the New Testament is there a direct quotation from the canonical books of Joshua, Judges, Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Ecclesiastes, the Song of Solomon, Obadiah, Zephaniah, and Nahum; and the New Testament allusions to them are few in number (The Cambridge History of the Bible, 148). As a believing Jew and Christian, Mary would not have disobeyed God who commanded married couples to be fruitful and multiply, nor would she have deprived her husband as the apostle Paul wrote, the wife must fulfill her duty to her husband and does not have authority over her own body so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self control. 1 Corinthians 7:3-5.. Steve Christie: According to Robert Sungenis, president of Catholic Apologetics International, unlike Jesus Ascension assumptions in the Bible are under the power of God not the individual being assumed. Oh, its for me? Probably not like any other piece of wood. So that doesnt take away from what an errancy is about, which is Scriptures specific affirmations related to what it affirms. Mary also did not need to be bodily assumed to heaven like Enoch and Elijah, so they would not see death, supported by the earliest church tradition, indirectly supported by Scripture, and strongly implied by the dogma itself. By: Rochester Business Journal Staff By Scott Pitoniak May 19, 2017. But those who knew the family, why he is called the son of Mary is interesting, and a good explanation is that he was born of Mary, and that Mary was Josephs second wife. And of course we can get into the whole Latria and Dulia argument, but thats not what this debate is actually about. Yeah. I only have to prove there is no contradiction. Steve Christie - Apologetics315 Debate: Do Protestants Have the Correct Old Testament Canon? For example, in Psalm 69:5, it says of the Messiah, Oh God thou knowist my folly. Matthew was simply not concerned with telling us what did happen after Jesus was born. WHY PROTESTANT BIBLES ARE SMALLER: A Defense of the Protestant Old Testament Canon - Kindle edition by Christie, Steve. And thats why I went [inaudible 01:47:13] and why I argued, how is it used specifically in the New Testament? Paul himself reaffirms this in Romans 9:11. Or are they all good? It can mean half-sister, stepsister, sister-in-law.. We now are going to have four minute rebuttals. Okay. Wait until after the debate, but if you want to go there now, its about that. But I mean, some of the early ones, Id probably Definitely not Judas Iscariot. This means that there was no single, closed Hebrew canon during the time of Christ, and some Jews considered the deuterocanonical books to be Scripture. Or, since Jesus said the Pharisees in his presence murdered this person, it could refer to one of Jesus contemporaries. In fact, Josephus recorded a Zechariah being killed in the temple thirty-five years after the crucifixion (Jewish War 4:5:4). We do this by elevating the quality of our members branding to match the excellence of the content being delivered. The resolution for this debate is the Marian Dogmas contradict scripture. He made all 27 extra-point attempts and 23 of 27 field goal tries in his rookie season. The Isaiah 7:14 prophecy only indicates that Mary was to remain a virgin during her pregnancy and up to the Messiahs birth., The NAB continues, The evangelist is simply concerned to emphasize that Joseph was not responsible for the conception of Jesus, which is why Matthew stresses the child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. So since Jacob is referred to as the son of Isaac, and Reuben as the son of Jacob, then were they only children? In fact, the Bible often speaks about things like human sinfulness or human mortality as a universal truth and those things really are universal, but it doesnt always mention the exceptions that do occur to these universal rules. So the fact is, does the Bible teach that Mary was not assumed into heaven? At what point does Marion devotion or veneration turn into idolatry? But its still the first movie. 17. . And its talking about the opinion of the fathers of the most glorious Virgin being an unstable miracle of God and being the mother of God. Steve, you are going to be beginning with 15 minutes. Because I know every one of these points you could go back and forth on a lot, but lets try to keep it to just the main response and then a response to the response. A fully independent, lay-run, 501(c)(3) ministry that receives no funding from the institutional Church, we rely entirely on the generosity of everyday people like you to keep this website going with trustworthy, fresh, and relevant content. Even a son of Mary would be interesting, rather its the fact that Jesus was referred through a metronym rather than a patronym, that normally in the ancient near east, you would refer to someone as the son of their father, the son of Joseph.. Our two sources of evidence during this period would be Jewish and Christian authors. So before she could go into heaven and have a heavenly body, she had to be rid of them, and thats why the apostle Paul says that we were like Adam and we also, which includes Mary, we also are heavenly. As Christian evangelist and author Mike Gendron wrote, The most deceptive counterfeit is the one that most resembles the genuine article. The same is true with detecting a counterfeit Mary, by first studying the genuine Mary of God Scripture, which does not teach these much later Roman Catholic dogmas, but just the opposite that she was, past tense, the Virgin mother of our Lord who redeemed and delivered her from her sins and who died and will be, future tense, bodily resurrected when Jesus comes to catch up as church. Ive crowned myself king, and I demand it. FEIN: 47-5459301. Yes. Does the Bible teach that no human being has ever been assumed into heaven? Im not alone in believing this. Steve, whenever you want to begin, Ill click the timer. Sponsored by SaltLending.com and Epic.Tech. This is really great. Heres one, Trent, I dont like and I wonder what you think about it. All right. What you ended up finding also from this, as well as other dogmas, when you go back to it, you find a lot of these dogmas originating in apocalyptic literature. Solo performances by Steve Christie bring all the sound of a live band to your special event. Why is there disagreement between relatives, older stepbrothers, cousins, et cetera? As the Apostle Paul wrote in his fourth chapter in his epistle to the Roman church, For what does Scripture say? Christie then nailed a 32-yard field goal in overtime, sending the Bills to 5-4 on the season. He might say that its unlikely, he doesnt accept it, but theres no contradiction also if she is thankful to God for being preemptively saved from sin. According to Dead Sea scholar Emanuel Tov, There is a special layout for poetical units that is almost exclusive to biblical texts (including Ben Sira) and is not found in any of the nonbiblical poetical compositions from the Judean desert (Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible, 102-103). . In week 9 vs. the New York Jets, Christie went 3 for 4 on field-goal attempts (20, 29, & 34 yards). Okay. So were not talking about translations of the Bible. 13K views, 25 likes, 6 loves, 7 comments, 12 shares, Facebook Watch Videos from Lake Effect Furniture and Mattress: Have you seen the latest commercial yet? Coming to the industry in 1990, he soon discovered that the practice of Real Estate by most was not at the level of professionalism that he had envisioned. The Pharisees did not have unique doctrinal authority over all other Jews since, Jesus said the Pharisees shared the seat of Moses with the scribes (Matt. We see this in Psalm 69:25. I was citing Baukham on that point, and [Greek 00:52:31] is just not used in the New Testament, so its just not a common word. Thank you very much. I would like to demand that everybody hit that like button. . And this was a dogmatic constitution of the church by Pope Paul VI. Many of them did not believe in him. It talks about the universality of sin, like in Romans 3:23, All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. But Paul is talking about the universality of personal sin between Jews and non-Jews. We are going to move into a time 30 minutes of Q&A. So again, weve gone through a lot of scripture here, but none of them stick and show that the Marian Dogmas are contradicted by the Bible in any way. And hes not. The YouTube show, which was created by Kyle Curtis and Steve McRae, often featured interesting guests, such as Hugh Ross, Inspiring Philosophy, Shannon Q, Sy Garte, Matt Dillahunty, Paulogia, Lawrence Krauss, and more. "Bills and Eagles Turn Mountains Into Molehill; Buffalo Erases 35-Point Deficit", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steve_Christie&oldid=1134968114, College of William & Mary Sports Hall of Fame, This page was last edited on 21 January 2023, at 20:11. Okay. In fact, Jesus called the Pharisees a brood of vipers, and John Bergsma has provided evidence in his book Jesus and the Dead Sea Scrolls that John belonged to an Essene sect at Qumran, whose members embraced a wider canon than the one Christie is defending. And so to say, who believed the exact same way that I believed? So I agree with that. How do we know Andrew and Peter are brothers? And another is a partial contradiction, such as the dogma of Jehovahs Witnesses on the identity of Jesus. So whether we are discussing the Marian dogmas, the papacy, the purpose of baptism or communion, or the biblical Canon, the real authority behind these debates is whether you trust in the sufficiency of God [inaudible 01:52:23] Scripture to reel itself to you or to the Magisterium, which often conflicts with it. Zacharias' daughter, Sarah Davis, posted a message on the website of Ravi Zacharias International Ministries on Tuesday, titled " Ravi Zacharias, Now With Jesus ," confirming that the . "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be" - Psalm 139: 13,16 I always wanted to have five kids, but I met and married my We honor our father who is in heaven, and we give honor to Mary, who is the mother of God that brought our savior into the world. If she was immaculately conceived, wouldnt she have known that she was the version from Isaiah 7:14? As far as Jesus brothers and sisters, I probably have studied that more than anything else and that would probably be the hardest for me to accept or maybe Mary being sinless because I mean, Trent, you got a seven year old, its like is as good as a kid as he is based on who his parents are. What am I to do with this? Alright what about the Immaculate Conception? Yeah. So idolatry, according to the catechism and paragraph 2113 says idolatry consists in divinizing what is not God. And see, heres the thing. But Mary only had a human nature and a sinful nature. Your generous donations are tax-deductible. Hallo.com/mattfred. Who was the first person you could say, Yeah, thats my theology. Being sinful is saying that you have inherited original sin and becoming sin means that sin was imputed to you. This is an example called eisegesis of Scripture. When Mary said, I know not man, in Luke 1:34, does this indicate a vow of perpetual virginity? Thats why Protestant scholars since the nineteenth century have taken the position Herbet Ryle did in saying the legend about the Great Synagogue was wholly untrustworthy., Christie also cites Geoghan and Homess book The Bible for Dummies in favor of the Great Synagogue, but on page 11 the authors make no mention of the Great Synagogue or of Ezras canon being identical to todays Protestant Old Testament. Jude 9 talks about the archangel, Michael, contending with the devil disputing about the body of Moses and taking the body of Moses, the dead body of Moses, that being assumed into heaven. Im really enjoying this. Hebrews 9:27 says, Its appointed for men to die once, but some people die twice. After chemotherapy and radiation treatments in Buffalo, he underwent two successful surgeries at the Cleveland Clinic in Cleveland, Ohio. We should only offer that to the father and the holy sacrifice of the mass. Steve may not believe thats what the text says, but if it does say that, theres no contradiction in it saying that. I mean, aside from the dogmas, I think one of the ones that make me cringe is that Catholics worship Mary, where every time I hear that, Im like And I brought it up, but I explained I came about it through a different way. Thanks for being a supporter mate. But when we look at something like Strongs for example, are you aware that Strongs defines adelphos and adelphe the same way? So we have to read the context. So does this mean that James was Zebedees only son? Scripture reveals Mary was a Virgin, but conflicts with her being a perpetual Virgin. And weve seen that time and time again, and so Im going to address the other examples that hes just raised. Mary did not need to be immaculate conceived since sin is not a trait that is passed down physically, but a spiritual condition. assumes Paul retained a pharisaical identity. WHY PROTESTANT BIBLES ARE SMALLER: A Defense of the Protestan Not Really "Of" Us: Why Do Children of Christian Parents Aban http://stevechristieauthor.blogspot.co.uk/. That she was conceived without original sin? So thank you very much both you, God bless you, and stay safe out there. . In order to show these dogma contradict scripture, Steve must do one of two things. Some Protestants cast out on the Marian Dogmas by claiming they dont appear early enough in church history to count as being apostolic. For example, Jesus said among those born of women none was greater than John the Baptist (Luke 7:28)and John was not a Pharisee. So if youre going to say Mary sinned because an offering was made, then youd also have to say that Jesus sinned as well. Well, again, this is the exception. Discover Geoffrey Stephen "Steve" Christie 's Biography, Age, Height, Physical Stats, Dating/Affairs, Family and career updates. Search. Yeah. While Jesus was conceived by the holy spirit, the Psalmists wrote, In sin, my mother conceived me. Echoed later by the apostle Paul all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. The Greek word translated all [foreign language 00:08:51] translated everyone, which includes Mary in her conception, but obviously not Jesus since scripture explicitly states, Jesus was without sin. He was content to let go and die a natural death. So this question is for Trent. Hallow.com/mattfred, click the link in the description below. They also didnt believe in the dogma either. To say here Richard [Bachum 00:28:46], for example, who rejects, a Protestant scholar who rejects the Perpetual Virginity of Mary says, Its strange Jesus is called the son of Mary in Mark 6:3, rather than the son of Joseph. But that would make sense if Jesus had been born of Josephs second wife, Mary. Well the thing is, in both cases in the Septuagint and in Lukes gospel, theyre both in the perfect passive of participle, so theyre being used the same way. As I showed earlier, you have people like Martin Luther, Ulrich Zwingli, who were firmly I would not call them Catholic. And I truly believe that because youre a nice guy. We discuss his books, with the most popular being Why Protestant Bibles Are Smaller, and well as leading Bible studies in his home. See Genesis 35:23, Deuteronomy 21:15, Joshua 6:26, 1 Chronicles 3:1, and Hebrews 11:28, where firstborn is also used this way. We see this in Luke 3:1, and if these siblings are Jesuss adoptive siblings from Josephs previous marriage, theres absolutely no contradiction here whatsoever. What about the other Marian Dogmas? The Bible does describe a group of people as the brethren of the Lord but it doesnt say that these people were Jesuss biological siblings through Mary. As I mentioned in my book, the case for Catholicism Pauls letter to the Thessalonians, he talks about the force restraining the man of lawlessness. Then theres going to be a time of cross-examination, and then were going to do 30 minutes of Q&A. So is this your view, Jesus and his siblings have the same mother but they have different fathers? Anything else you might disagree with? And also I know others whove done a lot of work on this. That the one being assumed would not see death and so their corpse would not be found as the case for both Enoch and Elijah demonstrates. As I had mentioned about the Greek word, adelphi, let me remind everyone that this is about what scripture actually teaches and to remind that the Septuagint is a translation. And Steve, stick around because Ive got one final question for both of you, but I wanted to say two things before I do that. Thank you very much, Trent. Lets debate the Apocrypha! In his work The Bible is a Catholic Book, Akin notes of the Pharisees canon that the boundaries of this collection were still somewhat fuzzy. You answer that and then Ill ask Steve the next question. And Im curious, you used a comment about Jesus being the son of Mary. We believe all Christian's should be able to defend their faith in God & Jesus of Nazareth. Thanks for correcting me on that, Trent. Can a conclusion be infallible if the underlying logic is false? We dont believe that is the case. Number two is when Steve said, well, I dont think the church died off. Enoch and Elijah would be an example. So Trent, what are some arguments that you hear Catholics put forth for any of the dogmas we are discussing today, that you wish they would stop putting forth because theyre bad arguments? 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