Here's why he's not impressed with Breeze. SFO - San Francisco Intl. An employers commuter policy, usually defined in an employment agreement, can make a significant difference in the stress associated with commuting to work. A detailed overview of pilot jobs available to you! Just one profile allows pilots to apply to multiple employers and to be contacted by employers searching for qualified candidates. Sign up for notifications from Insider! Aviation professionals pay has changed dramatically, starting in the late 80s. Student pilots are interviewed by the airline during their training and then put on a path to employment at that airline so that they'll have a job straight out of school. Neeleman is known for building airlines with great cultures, but I kind of have a hard time getting behind this whole concept at Breeze. We are encouraged to innovate and push boundaries". The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. Pilots will be expected to be on the frontlines as the airline gets off the ground and that means interacting with passengers in the terminal, making pre-departure announcements in front of passengers instead of from the cockpit, and being an overall brand ambassador. In the meantime, if you don't like the pay, go see if another airline is hiring. "We really are all about [how] nice and kindness goes a long way.". As a general rule, commuting flight crew will want longer trips while at work such as working four day trips rather than working one or two day trips. This means pilots (not just new pilots ) are out there making with the government wants minimum wage to be. Welcome to PILOT CAREER CENTER - Pilot Jobs and more! Sign up for notifications from Insider! The most important sentence in this article is this the only reason to become a pilot at Breeze is if you have no other options. They paid $3.50 an hour. A complete picture of pilot career opportunities. Opinions expressed here are the authors alone, and have not been reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any of these entities. The race to the bottom continues. "More airline competition is needed in the US.". Actual flight time? Some pilot commutes are easy and allow pilots to arrive in their domicile a short time ahead of beginning their assigned trips. {{((ctrl.offer == 'pcgpdf' || ctrl.offer == 'acpp') && 'Get Your FREE Download') || (!ctrl.compactForm && ctrl.newlead.program.buttonText || 'Request More Info')}}. Pilot bases are: CAK XNA TUL PIT Pilot Base Official Announcement video. Most of the comments are/were regarding the MMG and hourly pay, but the key factor is the requirements to actually get the job. Breeze will initially fly 118-seat Embraer 195s, but eventually plans to operate a fleet consisting exclusively of Airbus A220s. thats expected to launch in the US in early 2021, The airline is hiring both pilots and flight attendants, given that its close to launching operations, Breeze hiring pilots with uncompetitive pay. less than daily to leisure/small markets. "Breeze absolutely will be able to attract some customers," Harteveldt said "The question is, will they be differentiated enough to attract enough customers, and will they attract enough people to be profitable?". Please use the form below to contact our customer service or sales team. Breeze Airways provides nonstop service between underserved routes across the U.S. at affordable fares. If thats you, then there is a place for you at Breeze. Pilots that choose to commute will spend more time away from home than the pilots that live in base. "The A220-300, in my opinion, is one of the best narrow-body airplanes that has been introduced because of the enormous utility it offers to its airline operators," Harteveldt said, noting that the airline should've waited to start flights with the A220 over the Embraer jets. I felt fortunate. Flying for these rates sets a bad precedent for the rest of the industry. A single-fleet operation keeps pilot training and maintenance costs down, as well as maximizes efficiency in a pilot pool. Lots of waiting around and prep time. Fly for less money and less stress. The hiring program would see the airline take on solely online college students for its cabin crew roles. This has been the business model of little outfits like this for 30 years. Low fares. Work schedules begin and end at the domicile where a flight crew is based. Domicile Choices At Legacy, Major, and Regional Airlines, Few careers have as much flexibility as pilots when it comes to choosing where to live. I might have missed it. Colleges and universities already play a large role in the airline's hiring strategy. And the airline's Airbus A220-300 fleet will offer WiFi as the aircraft will be performing longer flights. Breeze Airways has begun hiring for 85 pilot positions as the airline prepares to launch this year. This year is unique in pilots employment, but when the majors start hiring again, they will love poaching all the pilots from Breeeze! But in order to be an effective player in the airline industry, it has to survive and thrive, which Harteveldt says isn't guaranteed, even for David Neeleman. Most major airlines are in negotiations at this time, and many are contentious. The article also fails to factor in per diem amounts and the tax advantage that goes with that. Here's to hoping for an actual pilot shortage in the next few years, and then we'll all be laughing at this ridiculous pay. Our normal business hours are Monday-Friday 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. (Pacific Time). This whole covid fiasco has made a lot of his start up costs dirt cheap. "We've really been able to be selective and get the cream of the crop," Coleman said. Take the stress out of your job search and let employers compete for you. High Flex. If you fly anywhere close to a normal schedule, the numbers look brighter. 28 years represented by ALPA, walked the picket line 29 days in 1985 and was ready to do it again several times during my career to entice management to come to the negotiating table with a better contract for pilots. This says to me that the quality of pilot they will be recruiting will be far from the best and hence, an airline to swerve. "It's not like if you're 18 years old, you can't be a flight attendant.". And they likely will try to launch with no union, am I right? It's a concept that saves Breeze on hotel expenses but also allows pilots to spend more time at home. less than daily to leisure/small markets. "Nonstop routes and low fares are way nicer than flying through hubs at high fares," Edmondson-Jones said. Must have 2,000 hours total time in large, Group II transport category, fixed-wing aircraft (turbojet aircraft of more than 41,000 lbs. "A concern that I have is that the target Breeze customer may be less likely to own a smartphone, they may be less likely to own tablets, they may be less likely to use technology in their personal and work lives," Harteveldt said. By clicking Sign up, you agree to receive marketing emails from Insider This is to cover training costs and to prevent extra training cycles from pilots jumping around between airplane types. Breeze will offer streaming in-flight entertainment including television shows and a map feature. A total of $6,000 is given in tuition reimbursement on top of a monthly $1,200 voucher, among other perks. The two airlines couldn't be any more different, however, despite having the same founder. This interactive map shows airline bases and hubs, and pilot domiciles across the US. I will make $15-20 per hour for my hard work on average when you figure all the work we do for free. My regional got dumped by United and now Im at another regional at the bottom of a seniority list making way less money with bad work rules flying the same tail numbers I did before. El Segundo, CA 90245, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information, Meet the Breeze team at upcoming events! In-flight WiFi, for example, won't be offered on the aircraft. 21st February 2019 The benefit of getting on right now at Breeze is seniority in the future. Hopefully professional pilots will take a hard look at other careers before accepting garbage like this. I have no doubts in How often is the minimum guaranteed hours exceeded in a given month? "Breeze has basically outlined a list of ways where customers are going to think they're not a very nice airline," Harteveldt said. Im sure theyd leap at the chance to earn USD given the depreciation of the R$. They better start changing the pilot pay or pilots will start leaving to China and make real time money up there . Candidates give an average difficulty score of 2.6 out of 5 (where 5 is the highest level of difficulty) for their job interview at Breeze Airways. Breeze's. Breeze knows this. There are several considerations when looking at potential domiciles. Stay up to date with what you want to know. Is TPA going to be a pilot base? Access your favorite topics in a personalized feed while you're on the go. Breeze intended for all of its flight attendants to be degree-seeking students. Breeze has started hiring pilots, and its making pay at some regional airlines look lucrative by comparison (and keep in mind pilots often work at regional airlines to gain experience, and eventually get a job at one of the major carriers). We accept and encourage updates, corrections, edits from ALL users. By logging into your account, you agree to our. This means less time spent commuting and less need for crash pads. Thanks !! "Charge me $3 to print a boarding pass, charge me $50 to check a bag in with an agent. Rebook or cancel up to 15 minutes prior to scheduled departure without penalty. Breeze Airways is finally making its debut on May 27 just in time for Memorial Day weekend and the start of what will likely be a busy summer season. We are no longer sponsoring Visas / E-2 Visas. "If you're a fully trained flight attendant, you're a fully trained flight attendant," Edmondson-Jones said. If Breeze employees get stock (I'm no insider but assume they will), and Breeze succeeds, they stand to make up later in capital gains potentially much more than they forego today in ordinary income. This page was updated on October 13, 2022 (Quicktake, Payscales, Fleet). Stay up to date with what you want to know. But the location choice can have significant impact on a pilots quality of life and career advancement. Low fares. Breeze Does it Better Our Perks Straight to the point. Pilots hired to Breeze now will be assigned to the Embraer fleet while the application window for the Airbus fleet will open early this summer. Pilots are incredibly overpaid as it is. The rules here have not changed, but the enforcement will now result in a 30 day . FO Adam absolutely nailed it. Harteveldt noted that WiFi can be used for fraud protection if the airline plans to offer in-flight purchasing, and it can be used for "smart aircraft" applications where the airline can monitor the performance of an aircraft's systems in real-time. While we do try to list all the best miles and points deals, the site does not include all card companies or credit card offers available in the marketplace. Great article !!! At 55 min, it seems like a part time job. They are exploiting pilots. An initial slate of 39 routes across 16 cities will launch between May 27 and July 29, boasting fares are as low as $39. Im a bit confused. Something to think about. For now its all supply and demand compounded with an industry in the toilet. We will rely on you to act as the face of the Company by embracing Breezes Five Core Values Safety, Kindness, Integrity, Ingenuity, and Excellence. Breeze Airways Relaxes Flight Attendant Hiring Policy Date: May 12, 2021 By Sumit Singh, Simple Flying Last month, Breeze shared its plans on recruiting flight attendants as it prepares to soon launch. Its not set up to be a career. Of course, what's needed is a severe pilot shortage to really change up the whole industry. "Breeze is creating unnecessary complexity for itself by having a more complex fleet," Harteveldt said. Failing that, they were determined to not pay one dime more than their competition. The airline is hiring both pilots and flight attendants, given that its close to launching operations. Some airlines have only a few domiciles while others can have several domiciles spread throughout the country, or even internationally. The pay scale offered is not "borderline exploitative", it IS exploitative. But you can either create one or use accounts from other sites such as apple, Facebook, google. That's open, unabashed exploitation of skilled labor in an (only temporary) downtown. The extra flying option is referred to as open time. Domicile in airline terms this is the permanent location of flight crew. Other commutes require pilots to arrive in domicile well ahead of the beginning of trips. If Neeleman pulls this off again, I will be impressed. Pilots can choose if they want to live in base or if they want to commute to their base. "It's great to be part of a company that has such a supportive leadership team. Online posts, including anonymous posts and posts made here on APC, have been used in lawsuits against unions. Such a shame. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered severe financial damage in the process. Harteveldt is also a big fan of the Airbus A220-300 aircraft that Breeze will be flying later this year. It's quite likely that Breeze wants the low minimum guarantee of 55 so that they can shrink their capacity in the low-demand months without paying pilots to sit. They are taking advantage of a market surplus. Would you pay your doctor, lawyer, nurse, even architect, engineer, electrician, plumber, welder etc. Domicile Choices At Legacy, Major, and Regional Airlines, east coast domiciles with high costs of living to be the most junior crew domiciles, Availablity of flights between home and domicile, Likelihood of being on reserve for a prolonged period of time, Whether you want to have the option for extra flying and premium pay. I'm sure it's the same for retirement as well. It'll have more A220s than E190/E195s, with its Airbus jets to be used every day of the week - unlike its Embraers. So theres not much benefit to jumping ship and resetting your seniority at another airline. Rude, Fat-Fugly, Nasty, Filthy, Unfit. Sure, theres the free market, but this also seems borderline exploitative. At the end of the day your skill set is only worth what the market will pay. Add to that COVID and these poor guys will have NO CHOICE but to fly for these asshats. Frankly Im somewhere in the middle here. "I like the fact that we have a new budget airline that's entering the US that will inject fresh competition that will help compete with price and is hopefully going to provide very exciting jobs for a lot of people," Harteveldt said. Breeze Airways Airlines and Aviation Salt Lake City, Utah 37,107 followers Welcome to Breeze Airways, a Seriously Nice, new airline. Commuter policies give pilots assurances of no disciplinary actions for not getting to work on time so long as the pilot makes an effort required by the commuter policy to get to work. Do you really want to get on an airplane flown by people with financial problems and no better options? No other large country trains and hires their airline pilots the way we do. I for one am hopeful to get the nod, I think it will be a nice place to work. I have no doubts in my mind that they'll increase it in time, but they need a few years of profitability under their belt first so they can justifiably offer higher hours/pay. At 5 bucks an hour. Today the average annual income for A320 FO's are at incredible $20k. Crash pads are cheap (often shared) housing arrangements that provide pilots with the bare minimum to sleep and rest while waiting for assignments. The first flights of Breeze Airways are just around the corner and the David Neeleman-founded startup is looking to bring on more pilots in advance of its long-awaited debut. Most of the comments are/were regarding the MMG and hourly pay, but the key factor is the requirements to actually get the job. Expanding with factory new Airbus A220-300 Airliners. You seem to be an angry young man. This is absolutely exploitive. This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. "There's no commuting if you don't want to commute, there are no more crash pads if you don't want to crash pad," Coleman explained. By clicking the Send button, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy, and to the use of cookies described therein, and you also consent to the collection, storage, and processing of your data in the United States where the level of data protection may be different from that in your country. Breeze Airways, the startup airline founded by David Neeleman of JetBlue Airways fame, has already raised the pay for its pilots after seven months of operations. "One of our biggest pitches and approaches is: live when you fly and fly where you live," Coleman said. Support Flight Status . What's nice about any of that?". Breeze Does it Better Our Perks Straight to the point. But after all these furloughed guys get hired, who then? So theyre going to get experienced pilots (somewhat), that are already typed, with 1K hrs of 121 time (most likely), not have to pay initial or differences training for them, then pay them sh. Rebook or cancel up to 15 minutes prior to scheduled departure without penalty. I will make $15-20 per hour for my hard work on average when you figure all the work we do for free. At this point, offset the difference by instructing or other commercial needs. Book your flights now! Not only do we have a fabulous team but our guests are seriously nice!". Major - [Breeze] Airways - Originally Posted by 501D22G Those are the FA domiciles. If you want to put yourself into a position to for extra pay then living in base is a more realistic choice. Breeze says its A220 pilots will be away for two, three, or four days at a time . Get some help. Not discussed here is the difference between flight hours and duty day. And the US would have PRETTY PLEASANT FRIENDLY SKIES again. "The core component of a brand promise is consistency," Harteveldt said. Position: MEC Chairman, Snack Basket Committee. For what you spent in training together with what is intelectually asked of a pilot, pay is completely out of line with most smaller/regional airlines. As a pilot with one of the aforementioned regionals, this is an ongoing conversation. The LDS coming from the Beehive State have, at the end of the day, always thought of its team members really as worker bees. 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